KokSeng Ng's comment on KOBAY. All Comments

Warren Quinn
Good analysis
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Wong Kian Yau
Super Quinn, if you trust this stock so much, do yourself a favour.
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Wong Kian Yau
During the AGM, ask the management why are they pouring all their earnings into property development when the business is losing money. Ask them why not increase their precision engineering abilities so they can get more MNC customers
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Wong Kian Yau
Doesn't matter if it makes money, then dump everything into a useless business.
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Wong Kian Yau
I m also curious why they wsste all their money on property development. Untill they dispose their property assets, and focus on core business, i dont think it is wise to touch this stock. Doesn't sound right
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KokSeng Ng
mind to share more on the agm?
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Warren Quinn
Hi Wong, do u know about their Langkawi property project? Actually that combined of luxury suite Condo n hotel, u can choose to own the Condo or hotel with guarantee return.
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Warren Quinn
The property segment is a bit long story, long story short, the Langkawi one is not like normal property, since this segment making loss, we don't talk about it.
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Warren Quinn
Major profit contributed is manufacturing and other operation segments, almost 100% for these both.
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Warren Quinn
If I attend the agm, I will ask what's is major profit from other operating segments, money lending? I don't think property letting n hotel operation can contribute so much profit to the company, so money lending catch my eye ball.
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Warren Quinn
Why I buy kobay? Simple, 5 years CAGR 41.03%, Myeg also 34% nia, such growth rate but PE less than 10, why I'm not dare to invest? I must try.
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Warren Quinn
As u said, u did confident about their precision metal part, me too, just only concern is oil n gas n aeroplane which currently no trend at the moment, but still delivered good result during n after MCO.
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Warren Quinn
Actually I dunno how much profit is exactly from manufacturering n unallocated non operating segment only, due to got consolidation adjustments and elimination, if profit only from precision metal, I will keep collect this stock as much as I can.
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G L
Hi, I am wong. GL is my alias
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G L
I think the money lending subsidiary is nothing more than the entity that manages its trade Receivables.
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G L
I also saw that subsidiary and did abit of research
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G L
Did you read their latest QR? They literally guaranteed their manufacturing segment will post higher profits next FY. They admitted they are facing issues with the O&G and Aerospace business. But the Semiconductor is receiving lot of new orders
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G L
I got excited. I always wanted to have some exposure to the Semiconductor sector. But shares like UWC and MI tech are so expensive. I thought Kobay would be fantastic
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G L
You are right actually. The share price still went up irregardless of whether half of its assets are located at the property business. If the earnings can continje to rise, the share price will likely follow suit.
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G L
But I feel the company has very bad strategic direction. Yes, at the operational tactical level, it can manage quite fine. I will list down a number of actions they did to reduce losses:

1. Combine Johor and Penang O&G fabrication plant to Johor only

2. Sold off China loss making business

Still got one more I forgot.

But basically, they managed to reduce their losses from the poor performing businesses. All these led to its turnaround.
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G L
But they didn't address the elephant in the room. Half of the company's assets are placed in land and property development cost. This doesn't make any sense to me. As of 2020, they are still pouring all the money they made into property business.
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G L
On the other hand, their Property plant and Equipment only rose from 80 mil to around 110 mil in the last 10 years. They are not growing their core business. If a company is no ambition, and no clear strategic direction, I like to stay away as an investor. But I agree it has the potential for the share price to go further up, because its earnings should go up. I just prefer to deploy my capital in businesses that I have confidence for the next 10 years, not 1 to 3 years. Just my preference
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G L
To be fair to them, they entered into property development like 10 years ago when properties were doing great. But they never made any profits at all.

Since the director who is leading the property business is their brother, i suspect they are dividing their business empire into Manufacturing and Property so they won't have conflict.
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Warren Quinn
Hi Wong, last time I read most their QR, if not mistaken they got mention got enter life science segment too, but dunno the % only. But I guess aeroplane n oil segment is major contribution for the company, as these 2 segment always shown in company prospect.
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Ah Choon Wong
Ya. But not much business from life science, recent profit mostly from property development and oil sector. It’s tech. business doing ok, as compare with other tech. stocks, it’s the cheapest. But ppl don’t consider it a tech. Last time we view it as a tech.
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Warren Quinn
I think kobay is not suitable direct compare to UWC, as UWC customer is big MNC, famous like Intel, Aligent n so on, last year enter life science segment, about 10% if not mistaken for UWC. UWC did all favour for investors, that's why their PE so geng. UWC boss seems like know market favour, although only Ipo 2019.
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Warren Quinn
Kobay is sibling company, 1st generation is about ages 50-60, Kobay development for 2nd generation come play play one. Hahahahaha I found it on their company managment chart if not mistaken.
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Warren Quinn
Kobay seems very aggressive these years, as their PPE is very high, about 80-90% of their net profit, I don't have the data on hand now, I got mark down in my book. Hahahaha Balance sheet very strong, net cash although debt is increasing.
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Warren Quinn
Hi Ah Choon, their property segment is loss, if u accumulated from previous year until latest year. Current year macam break even or earn a bit I forgot jor. Hahahahaha
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