Kyory Lau's comment on GENTING. All Comments

Kyory Lau
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Nice oversold. Technical rebound anytime coming week
cheng
fuhh.. Low of 2.30.
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Eddy Khoo
still defending at 2.30. probably my estimation is spot on at that rm2.30 being the margin call price and force sale if any lower.
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John Liew
Margin call clearance 7788...now it's a "reborn" phase
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mint 1123
美国伊朗战争不会停了。现在就是看打到什么时候而已。看耐力罢了。美国到最后。一定出核子武器的。用普通武器,美国打不赢
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Eddy Khoo
john, I referred to margin call for the boss pledged shares at around 33%. he pledged the shares back in COVID time to raise fund.
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Daniel
Visitations will be lower once monthly BUDI95 fuel subsidies quota reduced locally and air fares prices high. Current situation might be worse than COVID if countries have to start to ration petrol purchases. As the share price keeps dropping lower and lower, stay on the sideline and sleep well. Enjoy the coffee.
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cheng
its a good news if the recent selling is due to the US-Iran conflict :) V-shape recovery. Strong hands absorbing the volume these days will be smiling to the bank.
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cheng
the only prospect left for speculation will be Gent's 20% stakes in Taurx; estimated at USD$125 per share and that 20% is worth approx USD$800mil vs the cost of investment approx USD$120mil. This is excluding the scenario of securing the maa from UK MHRA and whether hmtm will be produced by Taurx itself or the hmtm rights to be sold off to the big pharma.
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Daniel
I have seen through a few recessions and financial crisis but too young to understand the 1970’s energy crisis as not technically well versed in financial, economics and stockbroking industries then. Energy crisis is an entirely different situation as the adverse impact can hit across all industries and financial markets severely.
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cheng
just a different naming - recession, black swan, depression, pandemic, war, energy crisis, world war 3 :)
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cheng
what is more interesting is the main driver behind the downward pressure. is the boss up to something?
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Jackie Tan
cheng能源危机会加速制造业回流美国航运起价某些国家因为能源不足还要面对原料短缺停工越来越多不确定性
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Eddy Khoo
if you really think about it, the world has been in uncertainty all this while especially when Trump became 1st term POTUS and the trade war, then COVID, Ukraine-Russia war, Israel-Gaza war, Trump 2nd term and back to Tarrifs war again, and now US-Israel-Iran war. uncertainties have been around for at least the past 10 years.
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Eddy Khoo
not forgetting China-Taiwan tension and Korean peninsular tension. not to mention those smaller countries in Asia and Africa. As long as it involve one of the top countries, it would cause uncertainties.
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cheng
spot on, eddy. yes it is, jackie. there are a lot of news and uncertainties. We have seen oil stocks spiked up and airlines stock spiked down pricing in the us iran war and uncertainties. These are the primary sectors with direct impact from the conflict and what follows suit will be news of inflationary pressure due to high oil price. The longer it stays at 100 and above, the higher the risk of inflation. Hence, retail investors can always look ahead into defensive sector during inflationary period instead of jumping into oil stocks which seems to be overvalued at this moment; priced in and raises question whether the earnings in coming quarters will be able to justify the valuation.
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cheng
in case you are wondering how did I get the USD$125 per share for Taurx, Eddy. It is based on the last actual transacted price back in end of 2024 :) TORONTO, Sept. 26, 2024 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Dundee Corporation (TSX: DC.A) (the “Company” or “Dundee”) announced today that it has sold to a private investor 8,000 of the 1,015,008 shares it holds in TauRX Pharmaceuticals Ltd. (“TauRx”) at a price of US$125 per share for proceeds to the Company of US$1,000,000. The transaction remains subject to TauRx board approval. Following the completion of the transaction Dundee will continue to hold 1,007,008 TauRx shares.
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Jackie Tan
cheng 美国关税开启内循环这是对全球不利的 加上不确定性更加让过去制造业铁了心回流美国国内生产 在面对中国竞争和美国退场的同时出口会在不久将来持续萎缩
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cheng
its also an opportunity to invest in good stocks in US, jackie. The overdue correction for US stocks is taking place now and looking good. And what started as US Fed rate cuts last year and going into this year is now showing approx 40% chance of a rate increase in Oct'26. From initial rate cuts in 2026 to rate increase :)
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cheng
you can use the link here to monitor the US Fed actions - https://www.cmegroup.com/markets/interest-rates/cme-fedwatch-tool.html
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lim jia zhen
Kyory一言既出,驷马难追,是时候上车
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cheng
not sure whether its the right time to get in the car and just follow your own plans. I will wait for the boss/insiders to take actions first. Not sure what the boss is up to.
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Yang Yang
kyory lau反弹后继续跌吗?听说到处都要贷款…
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cheng
the first bond to be redeemed is usd300 mil from Empire Resorts Inc; due by Nov 2026. The sale of catskills non-gaming assets to Sullivan County is supposed to fund the redemption without the need of capital from GenM and whether Genting Berhad as the parent company will step in? No news on the sale from Sullivan County so far; ghosted.
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Vin Vin
Seem like will break 2.30 very soon. by next week...unless some good news to support
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cheng
there is no good news since Aug'24, Vin. Even the RWNYC full casino license is not a good news bcos of gung-ho plan from RWNYC - higher tax and license fees in order to secure the license. Fainted.
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cheng
Not sure who was leading the RWNYC bid but that team should be fired. 56% tax on slots revenue and 30% on table games while the other two license winner are paying 25 to 30% tax on slots revenue and 10% tax on table games. RWNYC paying 600mil license fee instead of 500mil license fee.
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Vin Vin
Donno what's their plan....let's see will break 2 in the future
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cheng
Probably eyeing the non-gaming segment since its in New York at the expense of gaming segment? - An updated economic analysis shows Resorts World New York City will create more than 100,000 construction, permanent, indirect and induced jobs, as it realizes the proposed 5.6-million-square-foot integrated resort – the largest in the United States. The historic development will include a spacious 500,000-square-foot casino hosting 10,800 gaming positions, a 7,000-seat entertainment venue, 30 new dining options, day clubs and spas, and more than 12 acres of greenspace, as well as $2 billion in community investments. https://rwnewyork.com/news/resorts-world-new-york-city-submits-supplemental-7-5b-proposal-including-2b-in-community-benefits-for-full-commercial-gaming-license-to-create-largest-integrated-resort-in-the-u-s/
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Yang Yang
哈哈… Cheng non stop drop
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Yang Yang
不要再帮泰爷算账了…他要pool的资金
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cheng
will be stressful for long term shareholders if it breaks below 2.0, Vin.
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cheng
boss collecting GenM again; 73.87% now; marching towards 75%. GenM minority shareholders in the dark.
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Sky Liew
猜猜多久genm genting 跌破1
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Vin Vin
Cheng , the amount very less.... atleast 3 more months only can achieve 75% lol
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cheng
yeah. Bit by bit and unknowingly. Gent increased GenM's stakes at 2.35 previously and market price is now 1.80; ~25% discount. Or rather Gent overpaid for the acquisition by 25%. Lol, no pun intended. Both GenM and Gent has dropped by 25% to 30% since Dec'25. No idea whether the market is punishing its capital misallocations or pricing in - high reinvestment low returns. May stay sideways for sometime until proven otherwise.
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lim jia zhen
别抛弃我们哦kyory。。。不懂姐是不是跑路了。
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meteng.kangsar kangsar
kyory 妳还好吗??
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Kyory Lau
Be patient, overall market not good. US last Friday also closed with big drop. No worry
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Kyory Lau
Let's see coming weeks
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lim jia zhen
感觉姐有点跟不上了..姐需要补补..
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cheng
wah... my hands are getting itchy. the temptation to click buy is high to the extent of forgetting the plan to wait for it to move up to 2.60 first. fuhh....
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cheng
indeed, kyory. discounted price everywhere. need to observe thoroughly which market, which sector and which stock to grab/initiate position :)
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marvellous s3mn
kyory讲的,大家也是当作参考就好
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lim jia zhen
Cheng手痒,人老了真的需要补补..去榨下.
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Eddy Khoo
the boss bank account should be bleeding now unless he doesn't care about the margin call and forced sell.
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cheng
Lol, ljz. the translated wordings seems weird. I think there are other attractive options and even the mag7 stocks are in correction mode; yummy if you will.
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cheng
I doubt there will be any impact to the boss, Eddy.
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Eddy Khoo
Cheng, don't forget his 33% pledged shares. he needs to pump in money for that.
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Eddy Khoo
still back to you original question, who was dumping and who was buying. why sudden correction from rm3 to rm2.20 now for the past 1 month. is it that all genting resorts and hotels have to close and shut down like back in covid time, not even a single customer back then?
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lim jia zhen
Cheng只是想帮拉低股价.. 谢谢cheng
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cheng
No idea, Eddy. Its chilling to imagine seeing the running loss figures on shareholders account for dollar stock like Genting. Such stock should have shareholders that invested high 5 figures to min 6 figures in it.
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cheng
I think its irrational to have such conglomerate discount versus the sum of shareholdings market cap for its listed subsidiaries, ljz. Even the analysts median tp at 3.44 is kinda pessimistic.
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Kyory Lau
All investment count on own judgement ya. Everywhere is bargain hunting now. Including HK and US stocks
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Kyory Lau
I am aiming HKEX, Tencent, Broadcom and QQQ
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Jackie Tan
cheng 基金出场很正常
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Dan Nn
TA show rebound soon. and i saw other share most big money enter last week ady. other asset also. specially oil show TA down.
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Eddy Khoo
can privatize Genting for 4 billions now. make it 8 billions to pump the price to rm4 offer price..many would be willing to sell. Lim family get a steep discount of 50% if offer to privatize at rm4. not forgetting all the future earning from NY and Singapore would be fully pocketed by them.
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Eddy Khoo
leaving those shareholders who have been bearing the losses for the past 8 years and when now almost the time to reap the reward, the boss kick you out of the train.
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Yang Yang
巴比Q了…你们还好吗?
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lim jia zhen
所以说买股票真的能看透人心
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Yang Yang
哈哈…够力借来买回自己的股,赚来的又帮自己还债?
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Vin Vin
Eddy ...not easy to privatise gent ..
even genm hard to privatise....
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cheng
agreed with Vin. Additionally, if you look at the q4 report, Gent spent 3.26 bil to buy out GenM's 2.89 bil nci and didn't even meet the min 75% threshold at the close of the mgo. Definitely not easy and not cheap to privatise Gent.
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Vin Vin
It seems like unnormal for genting...normally atleast will dead cat rebound Abit ..but Genting totally plunge at RM2.90 until now with huge vol....
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Eddy Khoo
not necessarily must be successful takeover. it could be just a tactic to accumulate back more shares at discounted price..just like GenM. the bosses could easily push up to 75% holding from 73.3% but they stopped and ghosted all d strategic plans for now and remain silence for the past 4 months.
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Eddy Khoo
next, genting berhad dropped from 3.50 to 2.20 now since the takeover offer of GenM and the eerily silence for the past 4 months. be reminded that NY casino will start operation in June and Taurx is expected to get the decision from UK MHRA within the next 3-4 months.
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Eddy Khoo
a share price dropped of more than 35% within a span of 4 months and the bosses mentioned nothing and no press conference. nothing at all. was this intentionally? for us to ponder.
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Yang Yang
okokok...I know I know..haha
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cheng
I am curious too, eddy. The boss and his PACs/KienHuat Realty will have to push their shareholdings to min 75% to trigger <25% public spread rule or up to 90% to squeeze out minority interests in Genting Berhad to privatise it.
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C K
what you want ah tai to say? share price is out of my control, macro economy not good with the wars going on, oil price sky rocketing, you also know so what point to say again
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Yang Yang
i also curious...没本生意,不知不觉家族基金个个发大财?哈哈…too much headache
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cheng
total value for equity holders from q4 report is 29.68 bil and market cap right now is 8.6 bil. The market is in the opinion that it is unable to generate good returns from its assets / high reinvestment rate; capital misallocation if you will.
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Lim Zi Yen
Rekop terendah 2.21
还低过1997年金融风暴。
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Kwong Mingkwei
Last year AGM,big boss say investors must be more patient,waiting…waiting and waiting….
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cheng
still no action from the boss/insiders.
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lim jia zhen
应该是开始止跌啦.. 但升不升又是另外一回事
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cheng
well, funds/insti were active the last few days rebalancing their positions; taking profits and switching counters. hopefully, some of the funds/insti will drop by here :)
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Jackie Tan
cheng 他们作风都是等股东大会才会交代
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cheng
they are also heavily on thematic stocks, jackie. as for the performance, they have analysts working for them and they will ask questions during investor briefing; most of the time forward looking statement/clarifications if you will. After all, they have access to the mgmt that retail investors dont. As for the recent drop, we should not rule out the possibility of investors' margin calls and being squeezed out since there are no corporate actions or announcements.
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Eddy Khoo
Q1 rebalancing already done n dusted. let's see what next in store for Q2 from the boss.
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lim jia zhen
Got a feeling it will rise today.
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lim jia zhen
进场了.. Trump 说war going to end in 2 weeks..
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绫崎飒
除非用核弹,不然他凭什么认为他能主导整个战争?现在停战根本不在他的立场,而是伊朗。
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Ah tai Sukoyi
要起飞了吗, Ah tai 很多油棕哦
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lim jia zhen
阿feng你继续等, 我进场赚钱.
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Eddy Khoo
haha. the market still using Trump speech as reason to pump n dump. who in the world would believe Trump speech n promises? he can uturn within few hours or change his speech or promise as he likes.
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Anthony Teo
Run run run up must run
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Ah tai Sukoyi
angmo want election Liao , cannot lets soldier bbq .. a lot family behind will sad
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lim jia zhen
Agree with sukoyi...logic says trump have to end the war to win mid term.. U all slow slow wait to enter..
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Anthony Teo
Nothing to do with us election. Ah tai want to take your money. If you buy he will traps your money.
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cheng
behavioral finance if you will, eddy. liquidity/insecurity, recency bias when its down and confirmation bias, fomo when its up.
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lim jia zhen
Resistance at 2.50...still can join in
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Jackie Tan
cheng 不是每个人都能看透
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lim jia zhen
赚钱而已bro.. 我没有酱高大尚
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Eddy Khoo
for long term holding at this price, it would be good risk to enter. I have started entering from 2.32-2.42. didn't expect it to breach 2.3 support line.
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John Liew
I'm slightly lower, 2.30... Hehe
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sun Sun
3.5不是问题,半年里面
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Ah tai Sukoyi
so much land if plant palm oil rubber cocoa coffee black pepper , dragon fruit is ATM already...and feed some animals for Raya or CNY
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cheng
understandable, jackie. just focus on risk management will do.
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lim jia zhen
火车启动.. On the way to 2.50 aye captain
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