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Kyory Lau
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Nice oversold. Technical rebound anytime coming week
cheng
boss has to stop capex on some of the US assets and spend it on RWS, RWG, RWNYC and RWLV.
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cheng
not sure recording is allowed but dont get yourself into trouble with the eggs, Vin. Just share the atmosphere will do.
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Vin Vin
I already check with chatgbt... throwing a eggs to scammer won't cause any heavy punishment...dont worry guys..
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cheng
chillax, Vin. Focus on getting the answers that you are looking for from the bosses in the AGM.
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Vin Vin
Top revenue for RWNY
Slot and table game...total GGR around 27-28m usd per week ! not bad !
can't send link here.. can find at yahoo there .
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Vin Vin
GGR total for slot and table game...average around 27-28m usd per week...before expenses.. 1 month possible around 110m... 300-350m usd per quarter...what a wonderful figure! hope is accurate
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Man Han
Pas要废了云顶赌场。。大选要来了。。
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Philip Ooi
Vin bro, u may check all the New York Casino revenue through link below, including Catskill, Hudson Valley
https://gaming.ny.gov/revenue-reports
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cheng
its accurate, Vin. that's the one we were discussing earlier with J and Daniel. What you are seeing is not even the peak yet :) the hold rate can go higher to 18% to 20% range versus the current 3 weeks data. The change is from VLT to Slots + Table Games; two revenue streams. Do note that there are no poker tables yet and that will come in phase 2.
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J
Those are very encouraging numbers. I was worried that the current trend is moving away from gambling/smoking/drinking. Turns out, this is not the case and hopefully the momentum for RWNYC can sustain and eventually reflect onto GENT bottom line. Ultimately, I hope to see Malaysia casino operation move to a more liberal country. Then the constant fear of being closed down is removed forever, which bode well for share price
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Vin Vin
seem like rwny will overtake genting Malaysia soon... nowonder lkt keep focus on u.s
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cheng
not so fast, Vin. Maybe when it is fully completed PLUS igaming must not be approved for NYC. RWNYC + RWLV should contribute at least 300mil adjusted ebitda. We have seen latest report showing US assets contributed ~280mil.
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cheng
you can add one more question to the boss in the AGM - when is Genting going to list US assets and use the proceeds from listing to pare down the debt?
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Kim Fatt Tham
Genting AGM will be crowded hehe
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Vin Vin
next week Gent can start accumulate genm and privatise again ? I thought need after 1 year only can re-takeover genm
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cheng
its better for Gent to focus on RWS, RWLV recovery and ramp up RWNYC for now. Q3 is around the corner and they should ramp up marketing initiatives.
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J
That's true Cheng. At the same time the complete takeover of GENM is a good optics and will bode well for the share price. We ultimately wants the share price to go up regardless of what. If business good but share price is low, that's useless for us too
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cheng
It's good but how is Gent going to fund the privatisation now? I am not in favor of issuing debt for the exercise.
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J
GENT should ald have a plan to fund the takeover when initiating the attempt, while at the same time commissioning the opening of RWNYC & RWLV.
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cheng
Hopefully, J. I am just wary of mgmt's continuous debt funded capex at the expense of shareholder returns.
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J
That's a real concern Cheng. The owner plans with a generational timeline, which doesn't align with our goals. Considering the boss age, succession planning and laying the foundations for the next generation is more important to him than the share price or ratings of agencies. Those are only number on screen to him. But we depends on that for profit. This misalignment is a real concern
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J
The way I see it, I think the share price will only increase if this event benefits the boss. Now, in what scenarios do the increase of share price benefits the boss?
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Eddy Khoo
one more trading day to go b4 it enters June, Gent can acquire more than 2% outstanding shares but cant acquire above 2.35 price, world cup season in US, and not forgetting Taurx HMTM may obtain approval from UK MHRA after 24 months since the first application in June 2024.
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Vin Vin
Eddy...I think taurx not so easy to approve...if is approved....won't drag until deadline still unknown yet ..
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Lim Zi Yen
Tengok Perlis Kedah dulu boleh main lotteri kerajaan tutup anak cina banyak kedah
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Lim Zi Yen
Pahang kalah boleh PN. judi pun kena tutup.
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cheng
not easy to approve but not rejected yet, Vin. The investment in TauRx is a done deal, and it is now just a matter of when Genting will monetise it / at which price.
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cheng
the last transacted price for TauRx - TORONTO, Sept. 26, 2024 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Dundee Corporation (TSX: DC.A) (the “Company” or “Dundee”) announced today that it has sold to a private investor 8,000 of the 1,015,008 shares it holds in TauRX Pharmaceuticals Ltd. (“TauRx”) at a price of US$125 per share for proceeds to the Company of US$1,000,000. The transaction remains subject to TauRx board approval. Following the completion of the transaction Dundee will continue to hold 1,007,008 TauRx shares.
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J
Regarding Taurx, I'm surprised there are inventors who are willing to buy in now given the uncertainty around the approval of the drug. Even approval is granted, there is still uncertainty on the market uptake.
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Lim Ka Keat Daniel
Latest weekly report from RWNY shows that table game drop continue to break new high. Very positive data.
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cheng
Probably due to the nature of the company, J. Products/services related to clinical services and diagnostic tools of a biotech company. As for uptake, it's kinda a sure thing :) rationale for that is due to its oral medication instead of the other 2 approved by MHRA - intravenous infusion, expensive and adverse events/side effects.
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cheng
Thanks, Daniel. The win/unit per day for slots is really strong and table games ggr hold rate is ~15% within the last 3 weeks range. There's opportunity there as it can go up to 18% which will easily add another 1.5mil ggr. As is, the weekly ggr is ranging from 26mil to 28 mil. Avg of 27 mil per week means 1.4bil rev per year. That's really strong.
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J
This strong number can self sustain US operating costs and pave the way for complete takeover of GENM soon
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cheng
the weekly ggr data pointing to min usd170mil qtrly revenue contribution and usd34.5mil to usd52mil qtrly ebitda based on 20% to 30% range of ebitda margin. I hope the mgmt will put focus on providing the best experience and ramping up the table games as this is where the ggr and revenue can swing high and low based on the hold rate. After all, the table games tax rate is at 30% versus 56% for slots. looking forward to its potential based on Q3 performance which will be reported end of the y
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Lim Ka Keat Daniel
Latest report shows that weekly table game drop increased another 10% to $48 million, while hold rate increased 30% to $8.4 million!
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THE ASSASSIN
Short sellers already earned a fortune in this counter & GenM. From RM3+ in Q4 2025 (Takeover Offer Announcement) to RM2.2+ this week.
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John Liew
Short sellers? Fortune?
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THE ASSASSIN
Just calculate on the basis if keep buying in to average down since Genting ~ RM3+ & GenM ~ RM2.35 just 6 months ago. What is the % loss within 6 months ?
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cheng
how was the atmosphere at the Gent's AGM, Vin? Any updates on TauRx and US listing?
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Yang Yang
林巴菲特…新名字!哈哈
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lau andy kok chong
太猛了....国泰....哈哈
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Yang Yang
还没醒…美国如果下个星期加息,债务更重!哈哈…没事,云粉会出钱帮忙林巴菲特
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Yang Yang
人家巴菲特是创造价值与增长给股东,林北是降低价值让股东负担成本与损失!哈哈
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chunye low
林国泰说他是巴菲特2。。。。。。。。
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Eric Keh
他能跟人比条毛啊。公司股票跌到这样,也没有办法救回。
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Vin Vin
hi . cheng .. my fren attended AGM but I didn't ... he mentioned same as the article. gent maybe not going to buy genm anymore and won't Share buy back as well ... conclusion...
In future...need to pray guanying ma more than lkt ..
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cheng
thanks, Vin. which article is it?
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THE ASSASSIN
Genting share price is now lower (can even be lower in due course) than their previous mandatory general offer for GenM @ 2.35. We, Ikan Bilis, that hold on to the stocks or keep averaging down with high hopes have really been fully BBQ.
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Vin Vin
https://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/1736959
this Cheng
the way they mentioned at agm ...almost same with this page ...
no surprise at all..
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chunye low
time to believe genting Buffett again lol.
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cheng
ooh got it. the sinchew article. There is a subtle meaning in the last 3 paragraphs, Vin. Currently, Genting integrates Genting Malaysia's finances into the group's balance sheet through a management agreement. However, with the progress of the New York project, and considering the exchange rate of approximately RM4 to 1 US dollar, New York's future performance will soon surpass that of Genting Highlands. "Since we do not have a management agreement for the New York project, once its performance surpasses that of Genting Highlands, Genting Group will no longer be able to integrate Genting Malaysia's financial statements according to guidelines, leading to very drastic changes in the entire balance sheet. Therefore, management must take action." However, he pointed out that it is fortunate that he already has less than 75% of Genting Malaysia's shares, which is a good thing. He has time to stop and rethink what can be done and has the ability to move the plan to the next stage within a year.
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cheng
basically, he is bullish on RWNYC and if RWNYC earnings surpasses RWG, it may no longer be able to consolidate the financial statements according to guidelines; probably referring to accounting and taxation.
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cheng
the rest of the article seems to be meaningless especially the BRK/Buffett comparison. Lol, no pun intended.
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Vin Vin
Cheng , let say if RWNY surpass genting malaysia... but the benefits will go to genm and not Gent right ..
genm seem like good bargain to collect since the dividend will be higher
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cheng
that's not the case, Vin. They have to do something with the RWNYC structure if RWNYC earnings surpasses GenM/RWG. Its back to spin off RWNYC from GenM and whether to list it separately or park it directly under Gent?
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Jackie Tan
重点是合规问题如果不能合拼就会影响再融资 到时候补救会比现在成本更高
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Vin Vin
The best way is to merge with genm ...let's see what happen next ..
this current price really eat dragon meat no taste
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cheng
will have to wait for Q3 results to determine RWNYC's potential. The weekly data pointing to estimate of usd150mil to usd200mil qtrly revenue for RWNYC.
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Vin Vin
genm Share price almost same with gent now ..what a shame .. last time gent during bull market ... was RM10 VS GENM RM5
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Kyory Lau
Seem like next week got chance
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cheng
Gent and Genm are probably the most hated stock :) unlikely for funds to buy GenM due to Gent holding 73.8%.
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Vin Vin
赌王父子强强联手!云顶重磅砸800亿跨界房产,柔佛科技智慧城震撼登场
another mega project at Johor...
GEnting LKT very hardworking.... everywhere seeing him around ..
RWNY...GENS..
but share price still like shxt
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Eddy Khoo
need to borrow lot of money to develop such mega project. already spending a lot for NY casino, RWS 2.0. nt forgetting many assets are being locked down and not selling.
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cheng
80bil GDV seems like a bit unrealistic :)
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Vin Vin
Cheng ..but market cap only 8.7b lol
like a joke right...
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cheng
Agreed, Vin. A GDV of 80bil spanning an area of 930 hectares is implying ~ 35mil per acre. Building castle in the sky first. Lol, no pun intended. Well, it is just launching and no completion date. Can be 10 years can be 20 years or 30 years :) I guessed they are comparing the value of Johor Tech Smart City (the land and all the planned developments) against the value of similar development in Singapore. Orange to apple comparison. Singapore's land cost itself can go up to hundreds of millions per acre.
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Lim Ka Keat Daniel
@cheng how do you interpret this part by the management?

Currently, Genting integrates Genting Malaysia's finances into the group's balance sheet through a management agreement. However, with the progress of the New York project, and considering the exchange rate of approximately RM4 to 1 US dollar, New York's future performance will soon surpass that of Genting Highlands. "Since we do not have a management agreement for the New York project, once its performance surpasses that of Genting Highlands, Genting Group will no longer be able to integrate Genting Malaysia's financial statements according to guidelines, leading to very drastic changes in the entire balance sheet. Therefore, management must take action."
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cheng
RWNYC earnings surpasses RWG is just a matter of time, Daniel. It will happen. If you look at the current weekly data, it's pointing to usd150mil to usd200mil qtrly revenue; usd600mil to 800mil per year. This is based on ~240 tables and ~2500 slots for phase 1. The full upgrades by 2030 will have ~3x the current tables and slots. Which means the yearly revenue can go up to 1.8bil to 2.4bil. Let's not forget it is based on current hold rate ~15% instead of the common hold rate of ~18%.
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cheng
The guidelines mentioned is probably related to accounting and taxation. Take action is probably related to where to "park" RWNYC. Genting Berhad owns 100% of RWLV and this model structure could be an option. Or list GenM's US assets separately. It doesn't matter which action pathway that mgmt chooses as long as it is the cheapest to execute and highest benefit in terms of paring down the debt, increasing shareholder returns instead of the owner.
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Lim Ka Keat Daniel
According to the Gent management, their intentions were never to take over GenM but just to acquire (50%+1) share. What Gent wanted to do with such arrangement? Why did it overshot till 73.8%?
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John LTL
The response was so good till shoot up to 73%++. Haha.
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cheng
Lol, John. That's a good one. 75% is the min threshold to trigger delisting thru EGM, Daniel. Possible intention is to restructure/spinoff RWNYC out from GenM upon successful delisting. Unfortunately, could not get to the min 75%
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Lim Ka Keat Daniel
Probably now Gent and GenM can form a new joint venture, thereafter inject RWLV and RWNYC into the new business entity and list it from there since Gent doesn’t intend to “privatise” GenM.
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Vin Vin
Since gent can't fully privatise genm...but if genm huge profit...will entitled to Gent as well right?
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cheng
73.8% will flow to Gent, Vin
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Vin Vin
Thx Cheng !
waiting for RWNY weekly GGR update...
This few years can't sleep well... evenight need 2 sleeping pill before sleep ..
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cheng
Wah, Vin. That seems a bit serious if your positions in Gent is causing you to be in this state. Not worth it, Vin. Please take good care of your health.
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J
My opinion is that only after GE will GENT starts to move upwards because the political sentiment on this stock is a real concern
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Vin Vin
In my opinion just a excuses...ntg will political... boss ownself don't wan the price higher ... he already mentioned during agm... Invest like w.buffett.. maybe wait lkt 90yo...share price only will start moving
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cheng
unfortunately he is not WB and he & his mgmt team not meeting the requirements of a good mgmt team either, Vin. failed big time on capital allocation
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J
As I have said before guys, LKT goal is for his next generation. he doesn't careless if the price is low or undervalued or that he takes on high risk project.
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John LTL
LKT is more than just a businessman; he is also a skilled debater.
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John LTL
Did nobody challenge LKT at the AGM?
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John LTL
LKT can never be WB. Haha.
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cheng
RWS and RWLV BODs are new and hopefully they can improve these two IRs.
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Eddy Khoo
haha. market doesn't trust what the Gent boss said. no effect on share price when launching such a big and huge project in Johor. take it with a pinch of salt knowing how the boss has tricked the shareholders all these years
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C K
got 2 main reason - 1st most of the genting followers already in and now stuck on high floor; 2nd many are worrying on the debt level in which getting higher and higher, doubt the execution power of genting to again borrow billion for such mega project
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THE ASSASSIN
@ CK Absolutely correct. When business structured based on high borrowings (and getting higher and higher) unlike late TSLGT’s days (Cash rich and strong balance sheet), it is definitely heading in the wrong direction.
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Vin Vin
During this bull market... GEnt still can't moving up... possible will break 2.20 very soon
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Man Han
Johor州选,ph再吃蛋的话,云顶冻过水。。大家加油
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Vin Vin
man han...大不大选。。已经影响不大了。。。 3年前云顶也是将的pattern ...
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cheng
consumer sentiment weakens due to the middle east tension and lack of hot money in consumer sector, Vin. Most of the hot money are in tech and energy related sector.
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Vin Vin
Cheng , I don't think effect by middle east tension...look at suncon...or other stock .. will follow bull trend as well...
GENT seem like kena dengue....
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cheng
Lol, Vin. I am waiting for q3 results to decide whether to hold or exit; in 6 months time. Keeping it in the freezer for now.
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Vin Vin
I invest GENT since my son from crawling until now playing Nintendo switch with me ..share price plunge even lower .. Q2 will be ugly as well...since alot flight cancelled from china to Singapore due higher fuel cost ...
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cheng
that's the impact of the middle east tension, Vin. crude oil price / jet fuel is trending down. crude oil price should be heading to lower eighties for the next 6 months if the MoU is sign off this week.
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Jackie Tan
Singapore 需要更多的vip gaming revenue 至于non gaming 新加波会受惠中东冲突迪拜旅游及消费的溢出效应尤其是来自印度游客
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Man Han
Nta 7.60 share price 2.26 无言。
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Man Han
云顶恶心到死。。park一个13k units在2.25,在block个8k units在2.27,它分明就是要股价不会动,2.26死死hold在那边等过年。
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