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Ayame Rikimaru
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卖的是“系统”而非“知识”:他们声称提供的不是可以在 Google 搜到的基础知识,而是经过实战验证的选股模型、专用软件(ValueFarm/AlgoBox)以及调研团队的报告。
Ayame Rikimaru
松大的立场: 他们会强调 RM9,800 是学费,教的是一套系统。NationGate 只是这套系统筛选出来的“成功案例”。如果股价下跌,他们会归结为市场系统性风险或宏观环境(如令吉走强)的变化,而非系统失效。
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Diu DIU DIU
totally is talk 6 talk 7,same we new gov and new dap lai that,but soxai chen and gp also not wrong...they lie,u believe is ur problem only,u r adult jo................my always diu is this kind talk 6 talk 7 level,also have so many believe,this kind talk 6 talk 7,i children time also known jo.............another is call himself guru,say have 2+ years share knownleage and sure teach people win money and always say have fraud use his name,u also fraud,but u have lesen only,one fast die,one slow die only,this is diffrent only..........if u bad u say bad,i will respect u.........same en mahati time ago at now,his dislike chinese,sure talk dislike,like bumi only...........
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Anthony Teo
All their knowledge are from Google and YouTube. All are basic only. Wah now collect 9,800.00??.???????????


Pay 9,800.00 and learn how to become leeks.


Their system is to teaching you to become a leeks. Now almost all students are leeks. Wah ha ha ha.
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EngEng Thu
P B is学费1 6 k。为期3年的投资是个巨大的耻辱。
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Anthony Teo
Pay 16,000.00 thousand and learn how to become leeks now. Wah ha ha ha.
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Ayame Rikimaru
企业准入权(Corporate Access):正如之前提到的,他们带学员去 NationGate 槟城工厂考察,或者请高层来分享。这让学员产生一种错觉:“我掌握了比普通股民更直接、更内幕的信息。”
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Diu DIU DIU
wow..............so many years not heard so high member fee jo,last heard is tyyap de stockpickto2 jo.........so why i say gp not same ago,tough dao money power jo,running wrong way and stockpicto2 2.0 coming soon jo......they with stockpickto2 same story,see can running how long and can how more faster cut how many water fish only........Good Luck one more time.........
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Diu DIU DIU
always soxai guru can meet dao 高层 company ,always company cannt how good company de,if have good company,not this kind soxai guru can meet de.......always 高层 talk,is u like heard only.................if is good company also level 2-3 level and mid small company,but not confirm can running good,is have trend,but bussiness model maybe little have connect dao only......
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Ayame Rikimaru
市场再次证明了“宏观与业绩”的重锤威力,往往能轻易粉碎“近距离考察”带来的信心。
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Ayame Rikimaru
那些曾坚信“系统筛选”和“内幕视角”的学员,现在正处于极大的考验中
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Ayame Rikimaru
面对这种“学费系统”筛选出的案例在一年内缩水六成,你认为松大会如何向学员解释这种“增收不增利”且股价崩盘的逻辑?
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Anthony Teo
Buy this type of gipile guru lessons is just like you are buying a air tickets to Amsterdam. You you can become a leeks in advance.
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Ayame Rikimaru
他们将 NATGATE 包装成系统的“成功案例”时,往往忽略了其上市初期的红利期。当一个案例被过度神化,它就变成了营销工具而非教学案例。
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Ayame Rikimaru
这是最令人反思的一点——你亏了,机构的学费早已入袋。他们赚的是“确定性”的现金流(学费),而你付出了“不确定”的风险成本。他们的商业逻辑是“教育”,你的逻辑是“生存”,两者利益并不完全一致。
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Kevin Ng
现在才讲有没有马后炮,前一年讲可能救下很多人
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Anthony Teo
Now all followers had became leeks liao
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Simon Loh
Ayame, 他们导师上次说1.10是很好的入场价位
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Ayame Rikimaru
当导师说 RM1.10 是“好价位”时,他可能基于的是过去的支撑位或当时的估值。

投资最忌讳“刻舟求剑”。当 NationGate 的基本面发生质变(如利润暴跌 90%、外汇亏损、行业周期下行)时,旧的支撑位(1.10)就变成了无效的心理安慰。
他没有告诉你前提条件。如果公司业绩崩塌,RM1.10 可能是“半山腰”,而非“地板价”。。
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Ayame Rikimaru
在投资教育领域,导师给出的具体价位(如 RM1.10)往往是引发争议的焦点。站在专业投资分析的角度,这种做法确实存在极大的误导性风险。
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Ayame Rikimaru
@Ng,在狂热时泼冷水,不仅没钱赚,还要挨骂。前一年讲”真的能救人吗?
在泡沫破裂前,任何理性的风险预警都会被视为没胆量或看错。现在讲的意义不是为了救命,是为了“断奶”。
1. 识破“系统”的局限性:如果你不在下跌后总结,你永远会迷信下一套收费 RM9,800 的系统。
2.拆穿“企业准入权”的骗局:让你明白,看到工厂的机器转动,不代表能看到老板的账本,更不代表能预测美联储的汇率政策。
3.建立独立思考:现在的“马后炮”是为了让你在下一个“NationGate”出现时,具备提前离场的能力。

最值得反思的不是旁观者现在讲,而是收了钱的导师,在 1.10 被跌穿、在财报利润暴跌 90% 后,他们有没有站出来承认系统在极端宏观环境下的失效??
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Anthony Teo
Their teaching is you must hold for at lease 3 years buy chen jian only told you to buy goreng counter. Your 1.10 is consider low. 2.30 told everyone to all in this counter. Now almost 99% gipile recommended counter drop from 50% to 88%. You are still considering lucky.
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Learning
i follow anthony better than gipili botak
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Kwong Mingkwei
Who can believe?Why u don’t believe yourself?
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Kevin Ng
受教了,他还推荐哪个,要避雷haha
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Ayame Rikimaru
重新定义学费:如果你有 RM10,000 想学投资,拿 RM500 买书,剩下的 RM9,500 进场买绩优股/ETF,即便亏了 20%,剩下的钱还是你的,而且你学到的经验远比听课真实。。
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Anthony Teo
Sad to join this Gipile guru Chen jian.
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JACKSON NG
去他公司门口抗议,退学费 XDD
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Ayame Rikimaru
陈剑和松大的收入核心是学费。即便 NationGate 跌到零,只要还有新学员入场,他们的生活依然优渥。
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EngEng Thu
Jackson Ng P B is学员课程费1 6 k投资额至少1 0 0 K至5 0 0 K。亏到至少4 0 %。以上。都没会员去门口抗议。
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chin lua
I did not buy RM1 NationGate but GENM in April 2025 because its AI server business model was cloudy due to Anwar's politics!
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EngEng Thu
Jackson Ng我一直等这一天,所有会员能抗议。
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Anthony Teo
This guru they want your money only and just give you any counter to buy. And one thing that they're very very much heartless.
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JACKSON NG
我有买过他们的value farm 2年,结果也是带去holland
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JACKSON NG
当时好基本面的股票在他们app名单内,我按照他们的教学分批买入,股价一直跌,最后基本面也开始恶化被踢出名单,但是亏损已经无法挽回,唯有忍痛止损
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Ayame Rikimaru
松大(Grandpine)没有强迫任何人,他们只是利用了人类本性中的贪婪、懒惰与走捷径的渴望。
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Ayame Rikimaru
他们通过昂贵的场地、高大上的包装和“成功案例”,营造出一种“不加入就错过(FOMO)”的紧迫感。这虽然不是强迫,却是一种心理层面的围猎。
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Ayame Rikimaru
在大马,很多人愿意花 RM9,800 买一个“希望”,却不愿意花 RM70 买一本经典的投资书并静下心读完。
自学能培养出“怀疑精神”,而依赖系统则会培养出“盲从”。当市场风向变了,自学者会根据逻辑自救,而依赖者只会原地等待导师的下一个指令。
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Ayame Rikimaru
很多散户知道自己不懂看财报,不懂宏观经济,没耐心研究。于是,他们希望通过买入这套 RM9,800 的系统来掩盖这些缺点。
结果缺点并没有消失,反而因为“迷信系统”而多了一个致命的弱点——丧失了基本的风险警觉。
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Admiral Adama
在马股,庄家面>消息面>资金面>技术面>maggie面>基本面。。。

在一个信息不透明的市场,基本面应该是你最后才考虑的因素。因为你所看到的可能只是人家想让你看到的而已。。。
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Ayame Rikimaru
如果基本面排在最后,那排在前面的通常是:消息、技术图表、或者 Guru 的推荐。
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Ayame Rikimaru
把基本面放最后,等于在没有救生衣的情况下跳入大海,只因为“听说”水不深。
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Anthony Teo
You are not alone. They are hundred and thousand of peoples had became leeks. We pay money buy lessons and now became leeks.
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chin lua
Google AI:
"Buffett's track record—a total return of over 5,500,000% since 1965—is often considered the 'gold standard' for fundamental analysis."
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Admiral Adama
在马股把基本面放第一,就等于相信有救生衣的情况下跳下海就觉得是安全的。虽然救生衣正在漏风(股价出现不合理的走势)但是你选择忽视因为你觉得你眼花看错了(市场错了)。

所以你选择相信给你救生衣的那个人不会害你,而不是相信眼前这个救生衣正在漏风的事实,直到你没顶淹死。。。
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Ayame Rikimaru
在你的逻辑里,没有“贵”和“便宜”之分,只有“涨”和“跌”?
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Ayame Rikimaru
所谓的“救生衣漏风”(股价走势),本质上是二级市场的博弈结果。
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Admiral Adama
我不是来股市证明对错或证明我的眼光的。我是来赚钱的,所以只有股价最终是涨是跌才是最终目标。。。
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Admiral Adama
人会说谎,但是钱不会嘛。。。
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Ayame Rikimaru
把股价下跌直接等同于“救生衣坏了”。
当股价涨的时候,觉得救生衣很稳,于是高位追入;当股价跌的时候,觉得漏风了,于是低位割肉。
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Ayame Rikimaru
没有一套独立的评价标准,标准完全被市场的价格行为(Price Action)牵着鼻子走。
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Ayame Rikimaru
但我认同不看价值、只看价格的极端实用主义。从利己的角度出发,应该极力鼓吹并让众人跟从的。。鱼儿变聪明,钓鱼会越困难。
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Ayame Rikimaru
这是庄家们默不作声的共识了。
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Diu DIU DIU
lazy talk more,this share must cannt talk value invest or 基本面,this share call have trend,have little about ai,ok.........can win big money if have trend,but this share can down dao pn17,no little suprise......this kind evaluate i agree..........another is more talk 6 talk 7 la............
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拯救散户们
i like ur english very organised and understandable
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Admiral Adama
我没说“股价下跌”而是“股价出现不合理的走势”。。。
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Diu DIU DIU
if u see price play,ending is give price play u only............基本面 and value invest if u trust known,maybe u cannt win big money unluckly time,but also cannt loss big money unluckly time,if u long term invest share market,this is one choose only,but must obey and boring only...........example genting also not 基本面 and value invest,if u say soxai thai leaver genting group another story,genting is play big and small this moment,nice more than play cents share only and must no in pn17 in this moment,more bad ending is 6+ years father asset sell near finish only ............
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Diu DIU DIU
mr Admiral Adama if all is talk about this share,i can confirm this share down more also 合理的走势..........play this share not wrong can play,but dun call this have 基本面 and value invest,bull shit la.............facebook guru talking or teach can make example de,but cannt heard full and follow,99% also talk 6 talk 7,same we new gov and new dap lai that.......up also can talk,down also can talk,they talk must yes macam..............
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Ayame Rikimaru
把价值排最后或忽视其重要性,那么“不合理”这个词来说,没有判定的坐标系。
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Ayame Rikimaru
判定一个走势“不合理”,前提是你心中有一个“合理”的标准。
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Diu DIU DIU
this time down see who naked swimming,not play play.,maybe rebound see who naked swimming again.............Good Luck..........can talk cannt talk,i also talking jo
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Anthony Teo
Love your hard earned money and you must leave this Gipile guru. Or else this gibile guru Chen jian will send all to Amsterdam again.
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Ayame Rikimaru
Natgate GoGoGoGo !!!
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Ayame Rikimaru
这股还会起吗 ? ? 求大神带飞。。
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Ayame Rikimaru
没时间解释了, 再不上车你就后悔。。。
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Ayame Rikimaru
- 语言是一个人的内心世界 -
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Diu DIU DIU
so many people like talk 6 talk 7,same so many facebook guru lai that...........down down talk 6 words,up some talk 7 words.sien mao?
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