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jie hunn chen
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这个季度增加RM30M trade receivable。有点怪怪的
SincereStock
被你观察到,的确增加的幅度还比净利润多,希望有高人能解释这点,我翻查前几次的业绩没有一次性加那么多receiveable
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K Lam
搭巴士没给钱就是这样咯。隐形客人
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Kent T10
他是trade and other receivable, 不一定是Trade receivable,可能是deposits / prepayment
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Love Pets
Perak transit 主要是賺租金,租金通常是credit sales, 都是先租后還的,收入通常都是跟著合同來算,不管有沒有收到錢,只要還沒end contract就是算收入,receivable 增加代表租客很多都開始欠錢了,你仔細看,它的cash flow確實開始走下波了。通常靠租的都不能只看收入的啦,我公司租車,嘛是revenue一堆,後面receivable都是拿來做impairment, 錢都收不回來。接下來的receivable再增加的話,估計真的GG了
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Love Pets
不可能是deposit/prepayment啦,revenue和profit完全持平,有deposit代表Revenue應該是比之前高,可是幾乎沒改變。
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SincereStock
租客突然没钱还?租了几十年,之前是怎么还?
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SincereStock
而且租客不是一个两个,会突然大家一起还不了?
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Kelvin Law
租客应该是看出公司有问題了. 租金能拖就拖了
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Love Pets
很普通啊,有啥奇怪,我公司馬是之前賺很多錢,可是trade receivable越來越多的時候,cash flow就開始有問題,就開始借錢,一直循環下去,現在差不多要倒閉了
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Love Pets
有時候你們看到Revenue很高,可是這些到底有沒有收到錢的?如果沒收到,後面一次過Impairment,瞬間變成net loss, 也是沒意思
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Daniel
Love Pets definitely Love Figures and strong in analyses. Bravo !
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Love Pets
haha, no la, because i'm doing rental company, so i knew rental company have to refer cash, other figure not need too serious
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Daniel
I understand a little bit about taxation based on my own investment properties. If I am not wrong, rental income can be recognised based on receipt basis to avoid impairments and overpaid taxes.
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Kar Kay Low
其实 receivable 的上升更多是时间差的问题,收入按合约在季度内recognise sales,但现金通常在下个周期才收到,所以才会出现账面收入稳定、应收增加的情况。长期租赁业务本来就不会所有租户同一天付款,因此 timing difference 很正常。真正要看的反而是后续有没有subsequent receive of trade and other receivables、公司有没有增加 impairment、以及过去多年是否出现大规模 bad debt。PTRANS 每年都有做 ECL(Expected Credit Loss)去覆盖潜在坏账风险,而几十年来坏账记录也不算高,只要 subsequent receipts 正常,这类 receivable 波动本质上就是周期性的时间差,而不是现金流出问题。
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Love Pets
yes, cash bass or accrual basis, but mostly accrual basis, more easier, just follow the contract period. but now this company cash dint increase, so confirmed accrual basis. And the receivable not just because of all tenant delay payment, maybe some of the tenants end contract earlier, then kena penalties. The fact have to waiting future report to see edy
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Daniel
Correct but why receivables increased by such large amount in this quarter as mentioned by Love Pets.
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Love Pets
Daniel, a lot pre-terminated the contract, i think so la. Pre-terminated can cost a lot charges, is possible to charge half of the year rental. But why a lot terminated/delay payment, then your guys have to walk there to do survey edy
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Daniel
Why recognise revenue when it is already pre-terminated ? Forfeit on deposits if not recoverable ? Agree that physical observation and survey will be good but I am not Perak.
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Kar Kay Low
Early Terminated will reduce alot of Payable (Deposit received) side la, not receivable part
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Daniel
When deposits already forfeited & set off against the rental revenue recognised ?
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LYL
I can confirm this stock within 6 months stock price will drop below 20c , let’s c. Now they are doing buy 500 and sell 1000 trying to make as much as they can within this period. If u are experienced trader u follow the wave but can’t be greedy coz this stock cannot hold. They ady doing soft landing. And til now no 1 mention who has the capability to trigger the margin call? Why the stock price maintain 70c range there for more than a year? If u hv fren work in investment bank, u can ask what’s the bank procedures owner mortgage their shares for cash. Get a full picture then u know. And lastly for the rental this is the easiest part. A>B>A , everything owned by same person. Profit margin and earning decided by me, I can show u any figures I want to u c.
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Kar Kay Low
When the deposit already forfeited only can recognised into other income not revenue, and it wont doubt any cash or bank yet received cause deposit is the thing cash or bank you have received many years ago
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Love Pets
early termination charges is the income la and receivable (after offset deposit), net will go trade receivable, the company will go ask for third party debt collector, ptrans for sure have credit control, they will follow upp the debt, such as legal action and so on, until 100% cant collect, then go to bad debt.
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Kar Kay Low
That call received of Penalties lo, still will recognise in Revenue not Other income?
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Love Pets
Kar Kay Low, early temination charges offset deposit then settled?? then all run the contract lor, aduh!!!!
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Daniel
In any case, I am basing it on no reduction in revenue, high receivables in current QR and if there are actually pre-terminated rental or difficulty in collecting rent. Matter of accounting recognition & guesses I supposed without the exact details.
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Kar Kay Low
Love Pets, okay it fair to said that Penalties will also increase the Other receivable
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Love Pets
walao eh, u teaching accounting ah, i just combine all to revenue la for better understanding here la,, u need to do classification here? then you want to do revaluation?
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Kar Kay Low
So Conclusion is, monitor another QR, Bad debt, Penalties, subsequent received than end of conversation
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Love Pets
i just want to highlight the reason increase trade receivable in rental nature companies , just 3 reasons = delay payment/ pre termination/ damage teminal, - repair cost. don argue so deatils accounting term la. aduh.. but revenue / income dint increase so much, highly likely most of the client delay payment. Just my opinion. Bye
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Kar Kay Low
Omg just for study man, more detailed more deep of study to help us avoid the risk
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Daniel
No argument but merely frank discussions :-) Love Pets reasoning are correct. As a retiree, but I still do understand accounting concepts well. (if memory still good :-|). All still assumptions based without the exact details.
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SincereStock
I am not good at accounting, thanks love pets for points and valid concerns to worry about. just a little thought here that if tenants can happen to suddenly all together dont pay rental, we might as well becareful and try to avoid other reits counter, especialy like sentral which is similat business and also high debt, who knows someday business suddenly go down and tenants all dont pay rental or terminate account.despite both sentral anf ptrans survived covid years
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SincereStock
btw the way, i think if not for the previous LD, ppl will not be too much concern about details like this
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Love Pets
Just a sample of my company did before. (High rental revenue -> High receivable - High borrowing - High interest cost -> Maintain Rental Rate --> Low profit -> Net loss). Its the cycle, unless u told me its pavilion bukit bintang la., Ptrans look like lower bargaining power. But guys don worry, its happen either gradual improvement / gradually deterioration. Still can play short term. XD
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Jaredgwee
IPTT as a Key Growth Level
Increased rental income and sharing from terminal tenants suggests that the terminal business is maturing and contributing more recurring revenue
Management claim: “Revenue is primarily contributed by IPTT + Bus operations, and performance is improving due to IPTT operations (e.g., Bidor Sentral ramp-up)
Quarterly report Q3 A9 segmentation Information
2025 Q3
Integrated public transportation 33,803m
Bus operation 6,650m
Petrol Station 8,634m

2024 Q3
Integrated public transportation 35,118m
Bus operation 6,554m
Petrol Station 9,591m

But the 2 main segment business IPTT + bus operation revenue performance is decline
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Jaredgwee
Q3 2025 Net profit before tax RM25,79m

Trade receivable increase from RM37.97m to RM66.4m, total increase RM28.4m
Trade receivables increased by approximately 74.9% from Q2 FY2025 to Q3 FY2025.

combined revenue from IPTT (Integrated Public Transportation Terminal) and bus operations for Q3 FY2025 is RM 41.67 million,

Revenue from IPTT + Bus operations (Q3 FY2025): RM 41.67 million
Percentage not collected (accounts receivable): 68.1%
So, this quarter Q3 2025 about RM 28.37 million of IPTT + Bus revenue has not yet been collected


Risk: If the revenue decline continues, PTRANS might struggle to maintain its profit margins, especially if G&A cost savings don’t repeat or if tenant contributions / rental weaken.
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Jaredgwee
一间公司连财报都要用scan version upload, 这间公司我就不买了

懂的看账的人很多,懂得做账的人一看就知道了问题出在那里了.... Company cash flow from operating 出问题了

股价就算跌到0.2 cent,在便宜我都不买
这个投资不是捡便宜,而是投井
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SincereStock
wow jared from cscstel, surprise to see you here. thanks for your inputs
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Love Pets
不会是timing问题啦,30+m trade receivable increased , timing issue for 3个月revenue 40m+? 应该是三个月累计的。
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Daniel
Good analyses, Jaredgwee. Love Pets and Human (with head for figures) :-)
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Kenny Lee
谢谢Mr Lim,你进我出就是对的了
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Swing Trader 23
Let say today i wipe out this 30 million the Adjusted Na is still 71 sen. Need to see next quarter to be sure.
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Jaredgwee
从大跌那天已经观察很多天,就等财报出
我也想捡便宜,昨天出财报但是深入研究,怪怪不对劲,正常财报不会这样的
从事financial account 都会有同感那里不对了
我不碰在便宜也不买
今天如果出大量拉不上,就没戏了
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Love Pets
短炒啊,鸡蛋放一颗进去炒几下
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Jaredgwee
铁锅太热 鸡蛋还没炒 马上就蕉了
到不如场外看庄家散户炒蛋
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Daniel
Good to note a lot of retail investors with sound financial knowledge. Minum Kopi and watch on the sidelines. Not worth the risks vs returns.
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Love Pets
炒炒下咯,交給點學費,可能裏面的貓膩,我們都猜錯了,哈哈,現在也只有mangement最清楚發生什麽事情,可是他們又不説,
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Daniel
EPS 6.43
NTA 0.7477
PE 4.43
DY 7.89
ROE 8.6
Share Price 0.28 :-|
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Jaredgwee
老板身边朋友都是 Natuk, Tan see, Natuk see 个个身家过千万,真要中margin call 前打个电话就能cover过关
王子名都提早跑了,散户跑进去撞南墙吗?
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Love Pets
等等他們心情好,拿幾千萬進來炒菜呢
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SincereStock
我不懂accounting,但想以现实情况去想,租店的人都知道,tenent有时候偶尔会拖一两个月租金,如果真的长期不还,那就换租户。重点还是产业还能不能租出去,一路以来公司都能收到租金,行情会突然反转直下吗?而且是三个不同的transit同时间行情反转。我建议可以参考sentral毕竟transit的客户都是往来的不是吗?客户量应该也相似。都是这几个地方往来嘛,南上北下。
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Love Pets
我只會accounting, 沒去過那個terminal, 話説那個meru terminal 會多人的嗎
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SincereStock
能的话我也想去看看出租率,所以我这边才买一点点,基本上我所有资金都差不多allin在我能亲自观察的asiapac,他的imago广场实在是好的不得了,还在不断广建新区,建好马上出租完给实力品牌商店。这些都是我亲眼所见。之前的业绩盈利也符合事实,问题只是欠债太多,不过商场的valuation不可能假,希望尽快relist成reit
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Love Pets
hmm.. reits 嗎?reits好悶,除非有幾百萬,要不然都不想去reits, 這個ptrans, 都是用猜測的,management又不解釋爲啥暴跌,爲啥trade receivable高,爲啥CEO說運作沒問題后,自己又在賣股票。通常管理層一直在賣股票的,10有8,9都是GG了,這counter什麽原因都不用太在乎了,進去炒鷄蛋就好了。
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SincereStock
asiapac现在是property但我希望它能将旗下的imago广场relist成reit,那就能马上解放imago的价值
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SincereStock
像wtc那样,不过imago能解放的价值更庞大
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Daniel
Easy over or Well done :-)
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Love Pets
好悶啊,ptrans可以大力動下嗎,不爆升,暴跌也好啊,持平好悶!!!!
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SincereStock
话说,ptrans生意基本上也是reit的性质,只是标为transportation,不用强制派息
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SincereStock
闷得过我的asiapac?搞到我要跑来这边消遣,这边算最热闹了近期
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Kenny Lee
Mr Lim 不爽我酸他,拉黑我了,我把他当成灯了,他进我出,哈哈哈
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SincereStock
他应该更不爽我,这次信错我了,说不定他已经cutloss卖了。这里真的神奇啊,以为今天完美大结局,竟然跌回昨天的价位,真的难玩
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SincereStock
难道又要托到下一个业绩再看receiveable有没有恶化?
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Love Pets
看來是等下個季度了,或者management annoucement才看得到未來了,大家看到這個receivable自然都不敢輕舉妄動了,要不然怎麽解釋,3個月40m++的收入,trade receiveable 加了30m+++, 橫看直看都不對勁啊。不管怎樣肯定是是有事發生了,這時候很好炒鷄蛋啊,100% uncertainty
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SincereStock
如果说拖欠租金的是不同的租户同一个时间全部不还租金那有点所不过去,但有没有可能政府机构呢?政府有时还真的会拖欠帐款的
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SincereStock
数字上所看到的要尽量翻译成现实情况
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Kar Kay Low
重要的是,Trade Receivable 的变动要结合下一季的 cash flow、subsequent collection、ECL movement 才能判断是否异常.
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SincereStock
希望能收回来吧,多数租给政府机构不是吗?政府就算亏钱也要还租金的啊,拖拖几个月不奇怪,你们知道啦政府效率,退税都可以拖,不过不至于不还了吧?
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Love Pets
ok的啦,60m才current asset 10多%,客觀來説暫時還死不去,還是可以進來炒鷄蛋的。
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Swing Trader 23
看来要关在300以上才可以看。
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SincereStock
话说回来,你们有看过马来西亚哪个州属的总巴士站做到亏钱结业的吗?有的话可以分享出来,我孤陋寡闻。没有的话,那希望ptrans不会是第一个
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SincereStock
sentral欠债严重到1/3的盈利拿来还financecost,几乎没有什么currentasset。投资者都没在怕
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SincereStock
那边的租客突然也不还租金了,不是也是gg?还是不要投资收租的行业了
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Kar Kay Low
同Ptrans 差不多一样经营模式的公司:

1. TBS – Terminal Bersepadu Selatan(吉隆坡)
2. Melaka Sentral(马六甲)
3. Penang Sentral(槟城)
4. Amanjaya Bus Terminal(霹雳 Ipoh)
5. Kuantan Sentral(彭亨州)
6. Terminal 1 Seremban(森美兰)
7. Johor Larkin Sentral(柔佛)
8. Kota Bharu Lembah Sireh Terminal(吉兰丹)
9. Kuching Sentral(砂拉越)
10. Inanam Terminal(哥打京那巴鲁,沙巴)
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SincereStock
沙巴的那个很小型,不过一直以来(几十年了)都稳定营业,每天都很多人搭巴士通往比较远的地区,附近的商店都因而非常多人流,尤其是做餐饮业的
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Swing Trader 23
这几个星期形成底部,大涨就不期望了,慢慢升,与公司共同进退
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