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TicTac _Toe
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Let me explain what might be the reason TGIB decided to dispose (privatize) STGT.

I think this is because currently the F&B business value is locked when is merged with the plastic business, commanding a PE of mere 7, when other F&B business can easily fetch a PE of 15-25.

Instead of letting the F&B business value locked in the plastic business (TGIB), might as well unlock its value by disposing (privatize) it and distributing special dividend for shareholders, this is good for both retail investors and the board of directors of TGIB.
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JHz
this make sense.
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Ckwong8086 w
how much eps f&b contribute to tguan every year? is 60m selling price too low?
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chiew wei Yong
around 6millions, pe13
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Ckwong8086 w
see how much f&b contribute to tguan eps in last 5 years, it is getting better, no point to sell it
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Ckwong8086 w
see the profit trend, it is getting better, why sell it now?
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Anonymous
Ang family can fully own the company
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Auditor Consultant
can I know the announcement about the sale of FnB mentioned by you

few years ago I spoke to Alvin Ang personally on this when I proposed spin off and then separate listing of FnB either via organic listing or rto of a shell co

I am under the impression that sale is quite unlikely

spin off and separate listing to unlock value yeah this is highly possible
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chiew wei Yong
现在他要自己收购,以后再上市也不关tguan的股东的事
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Auditor Consultant
刚刚看到announcement 了

真的够力咯

赚钱的他们自己买了

之前跟他说的spin off 他不采取

原来是等成熟

没关系,等待plastic industry 稳稳的

除非forex issue again
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Peter Yong
把公司赚钱的部分私有化。
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tan xian kai
公司管理层不可靠...
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Sharehoarder
so now now more 888 coffee, only pure play plastic...i only watchlist this stock because im interested in its f&b segment
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AKIRA
你们先做功课了才留言好吗?很多人根本 不了解公司业务和背景
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tan xian kai
那请有做功课有了解背景和业务Arika 为我们讲解吧....
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tan xian kai
短中期持有可以,长期持有真的要想清楚了,拿个特别股息后在打算
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AKIRA
年报里业务贡献占比和盈亏写的很清楚。 自己看。
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JHz
the f&b revenue keep increasing this few year. It suppose not privatization it, and keep growing up like Sunway medical, then only seperate listings.
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JHz
now they give you sweet first just 0.07 dividend. after that they can IPO and listing again... family member gain more
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AKIRA
Nah ! F&B only contributed 10% of total annual sales. The profit is very small.
They had been in F&B business since day 1 doing this business. If can do big, early early do big already
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Ng Wai Chong
要注意的是,after no more F&B contribution, the eps and book value will reduce, then the PE and PB will be high. It might affecting the share price to revise, if it's core business can't give an investor confidence of growing.
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chiew wei Yong
无论如何事实是管理层消弱了公司的价值,虽然是少的。之后管理层为公司为股东创造价值的诚信可能是要注意的。。。
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Ckwong8086 w
我们会投反对票,不满的股东一起吧
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hi hi
赞同,公司现在私有化 F&B 根本是对小股东不利!会投反对票
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JHz
From a strategic perspective, this disposal aligns with TGUAN's long-term focus on the plastic packaging. The F&B segment, though profitable, was a legacy business of the Ang family and has been a relatively minor contributor which is now being monetized. The one-off gain of RM15.43m enhances TGUAN's net asset base, while the cash proceeds improve financial flexibility. The decision to channel part of the proceeds as a special dividend provides immediate value to shareholders, while the remainde
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Vic Ai
是把food,beverage and other consumable product这个segment全部卖掉?这个segment一年有一个亿的revenue woh
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Ng Wai Chong
revenue 有一个亿多,PBT 接近一千万。。
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hi hi
公司股价接近新低,然后,现在又来个私有化。。。
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Auditor Consultant
my question is why don't they do a proper spin off and separate listing

I highlighted this to Alvin Ang back in 2021
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chiew wei Yong
我记得第一次投资tguan当时营业额是7亿多,管理层当时是说未来会做到10亿,之后当然是做到了,所以对管理层的诚信是信任的。现在管理层要在2027年做到20亿,然后市值跌回去那时7亿的营业额。。。所以觉得非常低估所以再次的买进,但是他这次做了这些,切实对他诚信有所减分,但如果能做到2027年有20亿,也算弥补了这缺点吧。。。就让时间来证明吧。。。
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Mark Siow
ijm卖掉它的油棕业务,gamuda 卖掉它的大道业务,最后有影响到ijm& gamuda的利润吗?当然没有,人家反而越做越大,tguan把鸡肋业务卖掉,专心做好它的plastic packaging的业务,现在要深耕欧美市场,只要把核心业务继续做大,何须怕失去一个鸡肋业务?
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Kent Chang
老板是低价卖回给自己,仍然是同一个管理层,F&B赚到的钱以后只进自己口袋了,哪里一样?
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JHz
假如老板有诚意,就用高于市价买入。而不是区区60m. 市场调查价格在于58到64m ...老板只用60m买回。
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TicTac _Toe
@JHz 他们没必要以高价买回,这跟左口袋进右口袋没分别。有派到特别股息给投资者算是这样了,毕竟公司是他们经营的,我们也就搭个顺风车而已。虽然,我也不赞成他们卖掉赚钱的业务,尽管它的贡献不大。如果有谁不满意可以把手上的票让出来的,不必勉强自己持有跟自己想法不同的股票。
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Mark Siow
用数据说话,2023年annual report食品和饮料(F&B)部门的 税前净利润(Net Profit Before Tax) 已经是 RM 9.2 million,而要计算每股收益(EPS),需要使用税后净利润。以下是计算步骤:

1. 假设税率为24%:

税后净利润 = RM 9.2 million × (1 - 0.24) = RM 6.992 million。



2. 计算每股收益(EPS):

公司总发行股数约为 4.01 亿股。

EPS = 税后净利润 ÷ 总发行股数 = RM 6,992,000 ÷ 401,000,000 ≈ 1.74 仙。

所以这次大股东收购,tguan发7仙股息,是就等于f&b业务4年的eps,所以小股东有亏吗?大股东用6000万买下这个业务,一年大约700万net profit,他自己也要用差不多8年半才能回本,所以大股东也不是买了就马上连本带利赚回来的叻。。。。




因此,F&B 部门对每股收益的贡献约为 1.74 仙。
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chiew wei Yong
其实管理层是用6千万更便宜的价钱,特别股息他们可以拿回1千万以上,只是讨论。。。哈哈
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Mark Siow
是的!这个股息大股东拿最大份,所以它的收购本钱更低,这个无所谓,重点我们散户可以先拿回4年的利润先
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AKIRA
讲到好像投反对票就可以改变局面这样。 这些人可能连参加股东大会都不会。公司有这个举动肯定是考量了生意策略。毕竟公司在这市场已经数十年。
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chiew wei Yong
akira@我觉得在这里大家提出不一样观点,对大家的决策是有帮助的,不要太客观也不要太主管。。。和气生财哈哈
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Ng Wai Chong
对。。。chiew.. 不同人,有不同的观点,来自不同背景,消息来源和投资目标。。只需要提出供大家做投资参考。。这样会帮助大家做投资的决策。。
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Auditor Consultant
based on my MnA experience, although the proceed and part of proceed has been converted to dividend of 7 cents sounds good, but in actual business world, if I am a buyer I will tend to pay less

to me a payment of dividends of 7 cents equivalent to near to 4 year profit from FnB might be too prudent , it might be more

in MnA transaction, all buyer wanted lower price but higher value and otherwise for seller

I have been seller and buyer side, so to me I am not very convinced for this MnA
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JHz
you are right. but now the buyer and seller are all of the same interest. 60m at least is still in an acceptable range. but actually this sales precede is generating around 0.13 dividend. just decide to pay out from half of the disposal amount. for shareholder point of view, I hope this direction is really good for everyone.
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TicTac _Toe
I’ll throw the ball from another angle. The way I see it, tguan is disposing a business they’ve been trying to bring up for many years but to no avail.

They say it’s not only about the management capability, the industry one is in literally determines the fate of the company. In this context, tguan probably realized being in property development can yield better earnings than an f&b business. Hence they are now pivoting into property sector, following the path of scientex.

For good and for bad, I think this move will allow tguan to lay its foundation to achieve its 2b revenue goal by 2027.
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chiew wei Yong
好的,加码。加码。。。嘻嘻
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Peng Zhong Wong
不熟不做,一做才发现原来那么多坑要避开
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chiew wei Yong
你说的坑,第一个会不会是应收账款?
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Sanjay Pradeep Sanghani
Here’s a summary of Tguan’s recent developments and outlook in English:

Core Business and Focus

1. Main Business
• The company’s primary focus is producing stretch film, which accounts for nearly half of its business.
• Other operations include manufacturing food packaging, industrial packaging, courier bags, and exporting garbage bags to Japan. They also produce 888-brand tea, coffee, and noodles.
2. Production and Expansion
• Two new production lines for stretch film were installed last year and are now operational, with an overall utilization rate of 60%.
• The company emphasizes quality over quantity, as higher production doesn’t yield good profit margins compared to competitors like Scientex.
• Development in Myanmar has been halted due to geopolitical tensions.
3. Market Strategy
• US Market: The company has deployed a sales team, a sales point, and a warehouse in the US to offer after-sales service and educate customers on proper product use.
• Demand Trends: Demand for food packaging, industrial goods packaging, and courier bags remains steady, with small domestic growth and stable foreign demand.

Financial Overview

1. Bad Debt and Impairment
• In Q4 last year, the company reported RM10 million in bad debt impairment due to a customer’s long-standing payment delays during the MCO (Movement Control Order).
• However, the customer has a repayment plan to settle the debt over the next 4 years, and there’s potential for the impairment to be reversed.
2. Raw Material Costs
• The prices of raw materials (e.g., naphtha, PE, PP) are stable and relatively low, enabling the company to stockpile inventory in Q3 and Q4.
• Low material costs, coupled with a favorable USD exchange rate, may help maintain or improve profit margins.

New Business Initiatives

1. Real Estate Development
• The company is venturing into real estate, developing 200 shop lots next to a LAGENDA housing project.
• This initiative aims to create a complete township, with Phase 1 constructing 60 shop lots.
• Expected profit margins are in the double digits, with strong interest and confidence in selling out the units.

Outlook

1. Growth Expectations
• Q1 growth was satisfactory, but Q2 showed some slowdown, and overall growth for the year may not meet high expectations.
• However, profit margins have room for improvement due to lower raw material costs and exchange rate benefits.
2. Strategic Positioning
• The company is focusing on stable business growth rather than aggressive expansion.
• While valuations remain low, Tguan offers a steady business model but investors should moderate their growth expectations.

Conclusion

Tguan is in a stable phase, prioritizing quality in its core operations while cautiously exploring new opportunities such as real estate. Despite slower growth in the current economic environment, the company’s strong fundamentals, cost control, and diversification strategy provide a solid foundation. While short-term growth may be modest, its low valuation and prudent approach make it a promising candidate for long-term potential.
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chiew wei Yong
我觉得啦。。。如果管理层减缓扩张,现在又低估值。。。有三亿现金,不如减低贷款,或股票回购?
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lee keng lu
Share price won’t move due to reasons:
1. Company to dispose F&B portion to gain some capital to invest. Why? Short of cash on hand?
2. Earning per share will drop without contribution from F&B portion. Can plastics portion business to overcome this on coming quarters?
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Steven Gan
大盘好你又跌
大盘不好你又跌,apa Lu mau???
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