Ah Choon Wong
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Howard Marks …你信他吗 ? 我比较信他多点,至少他的那本書The Most Important Thing Illuminated 还是值得一读 !
这本書是八年前在 Heathrow Airport 一间書局買的。
Ah Choon Wong
Howard Marks …你信他吗 ? 我比较信他多点,至少他的那本書The Most Important Thing Illuminated 还是值得一读 !
这本書是八年前在 Heathrow Airport 一间書局買的。
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Ah Choon Wong
Kevin …..here can read Howard Marks analysis …
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SEA BOBO
His memos are very useful.
I agree with what he said in the memo. What he doesn't know is Nvidia is a semiconductor player, and every single semiconductor business is cyclical in nature. When the CSP are satisfied with the amount of compute that they have, we will witness a huge drop in terms of revenue for every single of them.
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SEA BOBO
However, I think the reality is still far from that. Nvidia chips are still under supply at this moment. We shall see what will happen next once TSMC new facilities start running this year.
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Ah Choon Wong
Market History will always teach us something, lets see history will repeat itself or not….!
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Kevin Yap
thank you, ACW....Understand now
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Ah Choon Wong
这篇文章8号就出了,你在说什么 ? 也真是。
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Ah Choon Wong
是的,Leo King 最棒 …..哈哈哈 !
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Ah Choon Wong
Conquering the market or the market conquer you ?
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Ah Choon Wong
Not what I think, the market and your actions will decide ……
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Ah Choon Wong
Howard Marks 是这些少数人之一,幾十年管理的资金也不少,跟他应该没什么问题吧 !
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leo king
我只能说现在市场先下跌,会怕。反而是好事。老特上台后起的几率就高了。
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SEA BOBO
He's not an equity investor but a credit investor. His calls are mostly chun, but I disagree with him at this moment.
AI demand is not driven by business (profit and etc), it's driven by do or die. For example Google, if they fail to acquire and build the necessary infra within these few years, their search business (Ads) will no longer be relevant in the future.
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SEA BOBO
It's also a race between US and China. Whoever that successfully invent the AGI will win the race. That's the reason why US doesn't allow Nvidia to sell their advanced GPUs to China. The demand/race/real world applications are REAL...
Just ignore the stupid market noise (recession, bubble, and etc)...
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SEA BOBO
Imagine your product is sooo great that Tesla and Oracle are begging you for more supply... Of course the demand will start to drop once there's no more chip shortage. But it's still far from that "inventory digestion" moment...
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Yong Hao
现在只想知道, us 限制出口, 我们的科技股 会带来大影响吗
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Ah Choon Wong
Every innovation eventually ceases to be an innovation; in doing so,it follow a path of market penetration and eventual saturation. This is a time less truth. Initially , every new innovation (railroads,automobiles ,radios, televisions , conputers , the internet,etc) begin at a relatively high price point that only a small market segment can afford. Progress in Technology and Manufacturing gradually reduces the relative price of the new product.
This leads to market penetration in which more and more potential users can acquire the new product or service. At some point market saturation is reached.: all firm and households that will buy and use the new product have access to it.
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SEA BOBO
Biden能限制的了多少?
他老人家多一个礼拜就走了,之后就是trump进白宫,有何意义呢?trump如今身边多了那么多的boot lickers,Elon & Jeff bezos & Mark。。。他可是只要你投资1个billion usd在美国,就可以让企业无视对大自然的破坏,给你什么都做的哦。加上如果这个政策真的能住止中国拿到nvidia的神卡,那么为何一开始就不这么做呢?如果真的能住止中国拿到神卡,trump会说这个是biden的功劳吗?
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SEA BOBO
说AI是泡沫的我真的觉得他不明白现在在想什么。要清楚AI不是一个选择,那是个刚需。如果你是一名工程师,AI能帮你的东西有太多了。虽然如今的Model还是吐很多bugs的code,还需要人手去fix,但是距离真正能直接用AI来做coding的日子真的不远了。未来的工程师连syntax都不用记,只需要知道logics跟基本的语言就可以了。。。
接下来他会enable更多的softwares,让他们更加容易使用,不再需要复杂的页面,用语言就可以控制你想要的东西。。。
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SEA BOBO
当然,这种历史级别的order量不可能永远都是那么高,时间久了当CSP的inventory都够吃的时候,就是nvidia爆跌的时候了。所以你看nvidia一直推出新的产品,试图摆脱semicon行业一直都是cyclical industry的现实。
2025年如果你看CSP的年度capex来猜测,芯片巨头的好日子应该还是很爽的。借鉴howard marks在memo里面提到的,如果nvidia要维持现在的高估值,就必须要能sustain这个历史级别的revenue下去,不然一点点的失望,就会让market送你去荷兰。
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Ah Choon Wong
CISCO System….The darling of internet era,from March 1989 through May 1993: CISCO System reported 15 out of 17 quarters of earnings increases of 100% or more,with the other two quarters at 92% and 71% respectively. Cisco’s stock price advanced more than 13-fold during this period……..
Starting in April 2000, CISCO systems plunged 90% from its high in 30 months.
有人会说,NVIDIA 又不是 CISCO Systems…. 做的東西也不一样,那里可以比。
但是,当market crash 時,订单开始大量少时…….history will repeat itself……..
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Ah Choon Wong
末雨绸缪,小心驶得万年船。把本拿出耒,用赚到的钱再去搏,亏完也有限。
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Michael Saw
During the dot com bubble S&P 500 PE peaked at 44.2 b4 burst. The current S&P500 PE is about 29.72 still not as extreme as during the dot com bubble. Need to monitor the US economy strength if it starts to show weakness then probably the burst will come. For the time being, the US economy is still in good shape.
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Ah Choon Wong
MS …. 话不投机半句多,又何必让费时间在一些無谓的争辦。你走你的陽关道,他走他的独木桥,省点力气吧。重要顧好自己的投资就夠了。
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Ah Choon Wong
Howard Marks 一書 The Most Important Thing Illuminated, 里面有一个 Chapter 是关于 Risk Management 的,可以去看看 !
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Michael Saw
春,谢谢介绍。明天就去找我喜欢hard copy嘻嘻。
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Ah Choon Wong
可以去Twin Tower 的六数 Kinokuniya 書局找或问counter, 也可以网上订。
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SEA BOBO
上网找pdf就可以了。。。我是howard marks的fans,这本书我当然读过,所以我知道他每次的bubble prediction都是准的。我只是point out他在memo里面没提到的几个点,还有我不agree的地方,毕竟他也说了不清楚这个industry(他老人家一直都是focus on credit的investment)。
million dollar question是,到底CSP的AI accelator需求到几时才见顶,到几时他们才觉得oversupply?肯定会有这么一天的,不过是几时?就比如我也知道总有一天会发生熊市,不过是几时?
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Michael Saw
目前还是demand 大于supply AI至少今年都不错。美国经济是关键,一旦几个数据开始向下两3个月就是开始要离场。
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Michael Saw
市场最担心的是高利率太久对经济不是那么好可是美国经济却还能站的那么硬和稳。等老特上位看看市场会不会有转机。
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SEA BOBO
Mark zuckerberg 在 Joe rogan 的poscast说了,probably在2025年,他们的AI可以code like a mid level engineer. It's very expensive to run at first then slowly it will replace their roles.
它是一个刚需,每一个愿意拥抱科技的企业刚需。没有他,你根本没机会在科技舞台上跟别人竞争。。。
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SEA BOBO
比如说excel,现在还是有人卖excel课程,教别人怎样manually用equation,画graph等等的function。
当Microsoft fully adopt整个excel with AI的时候(现在叫copilot) ,我们可以用语言prompt出graphs, artifical data等等。。。如果这是bubble,那样我不知道你在打飞机还是。。。
当然Microsoft希望全部人都认为是bubble,那样他们就可以买完所有的GPU,然后独霸整个市场。
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leo king
这位大师跟Reset有一点像,一个AI, 一个 internet security.哈哈哈
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SEA BOBO
吹水罢了嘛
我又没有promote任何股票
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leo king
NV最赚钱的是Data centre, 因为AI崛起。春夏秋冬,冬天总会来。什么时候?
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SEA BOBO
没人知道
不过肯定会发生
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Michael Saw
Leo, 迟来的冬天?是不是像跳过冬到春?
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leo king
所以有一句名言,叫见好就收。不断把注意力放在同一个股,你总有买在最高的一天。我说的最高不一定是股价的最高而已偏高。
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Michael Saw
什么时候应该见好就收?
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leo king
很好。我不知道。不过AI炒两三年了。我不觉得还有多大空间。
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Michael Saw
真的很难说,继续观察看如何。
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Ah Choon Wong
还是那句:末雨绸缪,小心驶得万年船。
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Mari Gold
如果美国佬从新QE叻?
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Michael Saw
只是要小心以防万一,不代表一定会很悲观。
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Ah Choon Wong
地缘政治,老特的不確定性,外资一直走,小心一点也不是件坏事吧 !
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SEA BOBO
只要还没发生,它就会发生。
不过是几时?你有crystal ball可以知道吗?每个人都有自己的方式去投资,不然整个市场都一样,就没有输赢了
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Michael Saw
现在市场开始调整,如果仓位太满先把仓位减低,现金提高再看如何。当你仓位太满一旦有突来危机会惊慌失措来不及反应。
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